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99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:17 pm
by Stavros
The new layers opacity behaviour is quite beautiful!
It reveals the hidden complexity of the material build up in the fluids as the opacity is rolled back.
It is a shame not to exploit this complexity!

I wonder Taron if you have considered a layer mode in which all this complexity is revealed
A layer mode in which the colour is multiplied by itself based on fluid density.

It would provide a translucent build up effect for watercolour. (as an option to the flat opague solid effect )

:)
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random colour is much better with brightness locked but some range dials would still be nice :)

Re: 99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:57 am
by Taron
It would not! I tried that already early on and later on again, but it would not act as you'd like it!
Here's the reason:
We are not dealing with individual pigments, you know, because quantum computing is still to find its way into our homes. :lol:
As a result the amount of material would darken down existing and new colors alike, leading to the effect that any new color you apply to existing material would simply darken down and you'd lose all control. Feels aweful!

However, I currently very much enjoy taking the layer opacity down by default, hahaha, it's very cool to paint around that way. It's even practical in some cases and it surely adds to revealing the existing richness one can easily achieve. :)

I'm happy, too! THANKS, of course! :D

Re: beautiful watercolour

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:08 am
by Stavros
Sorry to be so presumptuous....thanks for the response

Yes indeed this new opacity behaviour is truley a thing of beauty!
Especially in layer multiply mode.
Turn up the fluids and roll back the opacity......
and you get really beautiful watercolour effects!
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Thanks for this Taron....I have always loved the work of Paul Jenkins
He would be your best friend if he was alive today!
:)

Re: 99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:31 am
by Taron
THERE you go, see....that's actually a perfect way of getting this effect without sacrificing the ability to paint "normally". :D
Great job and beautiful inspiration, too!

Come to think of it.... :| ...I could actually make that a Layer Blend Mode!? :shock:
I think, I might just do that... and "ink" mode. 8-)

AND it is Definitely time for you to start a gallery thread, Stavros! :D

Re: Gallery thread

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:16 pm
by Stavros
Ink mode sounds awsome!

Think Ive finally got my head around Verve!
well........sort of
LOL!
Will post some images in the gallery soon
Thanks Taron

Re: 99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:40 pm
by Pilou
When you say new Opacity of Layer
where is it ? The button [e] ?

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Re: 99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:25 am
by Taron
Pilou, the layer opacity dial now acts differently than before. This is what we're talking about. If you take opacity down now, it will regard the amount of material on the layer, effectively enabling you to reveal details in your paint that otherwise were only visible through lighting/bump.

Re: 99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:36 am
by Pilou
Well, well, thx for the info! :)

Re: 99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:06 am
by Taron
Just added "visibility" as alternative for the original opacity behavior!

Re: 99u15 Layers Opacity Rev

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:18 am
by Stavros
Nice work with implementation Taron!
They are both useful and important in different ways..... so good call to have both.

I can see how the terms might be confusing though...
what you are now calling opacity is in a way a visibility threshold for fluid density.
Regardless.....it is a beautiful thing.