Suggestions

"N" makes RND Hue, which is fun but with rare use.
Once used "N" with color swatches open, it uses the color swatches, which is better but makes a lot of loading, unloading of color swatches necessary..
Finaly, one have to unload the color swatches to reset "N" working RND again.

What about combining "N" with percentage of "Hue dancer" instead?
Painting foliage i.e.
With an image brush + oscillate + oscillate chaos, one is painting a lot of leaves with one stroke.
Hue dancer produces variations on every new stroke "only"
If "N" would produce a slight Hue random of color according to "Hue Dancer" percentage in every painted brush image during one stroke would make it most useful.
This would be more flexible, useful and faster than "N" + color swatches.

What do you think?


Second it would be lovely to have a tone lock as well.
This locks the color variations gamma.
Best is an example to describe this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zAfu7xE-Jw

[Taron]

Well, not sure if you realized this, but you can have limitless swatch sets! ...almost can't imagine that you hadn't realized that, but the little dots above the swatches are actually set switches.
Anyhow, I like the idea, but that gets a little patchy, because I really wanted to make a whole animation logic, which would include colors as well as automatic variations such as hue, but anything, really (HSV). The swatch animation system would be like the image animation, you know (linear like now, random fixed, random flowing, this sort of stuff, ping pong probably).
So, if I noodle more into N as it is now, not sure, if it would be wise. I may have a look.

What I didn't realize was that "N" is running through one swatch set only

This sounds nice and useful taron. But also much more complicate.

Hue dancer keeps volume. Random through swatches doesn't do this so far.
Maybe just a little toggle button beside Hue dancer to "apply per tip"? Nothing fancy.

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[Taron]

Hmmm....lemme see!

Don't you dare mess with my n Key!!!!!!!!!
N key is the magic elixir of verve
N key with swatch sets is the heart and soul of my paintings!
Please dont mess with my n key!!!!
Unless.....you aim to provide some control to the random colour
Which I would l o v e and have longed for since it was introduced.
I think what your really asking for is what everybody would love.
Some simple variability controls added to the colour picker.
HSV variability dial obviously applied per stroke or bristle or both.
I can see the overlap with n key but really they are separate issues.
The n key is a realtime function which is quite different....and yes it is a wild horse that needs some taming! (I.e.: peramiters) but beautiful and inspiring none the less.
It is perhaps one of my favorite things in verve because verve can take random colour in fluid motion and blend into the most stunning gradients and transitions that do not create mud! I have no idea how verve does this but I k ow of no other paint software that can make magic from red and green! Using selective colour sets multiplies that magic by 100! Being able to select random ranges of hsv would probably blow my mind.....so it's just as well we don't have it....right taron ?
Lol

Hahaha - well Stavros, I am sorry.
This was not my intention.
Forget about "N"

But a toggle for hue dancer "per stroke" or "per tip" would be lovely.
And yes, you are right. A volume/brightness dancer as well

Something to quickly add a little bit of variations.

Simple function to reset particular knobs quickly.

i.e. CTRL+LMB on Knob = Reset

[Taron]

Yeah, I'm about to rearrange the whole freaking GUI for the darn HUE DANCER "SPEED DIAL" or "STROKE TOGGLE"...one of those, not sure, yet. I've tested it with a constant hue dancing and it is really fun, actually. So...I MUST HAVE IT, but...well...darn GUI, really!

That sound super lovely, taron

Well - I must admit that now, after really understanding color swatches with "N" I really love that too.
This is a real innovation, so far as I know....

Indian summer theme

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Whenever you touch color swatches again I have some ideas:

-What about a volume/brightness slider on top to darken or brighten a complete set?

-And an option to vary this volume/brightness in one stroke per percentage
-A swatch selection option for animation playback to select particular colors from a bigger set
-Function for random mix in-between selected colors during swatch-animation playback.

Reading your first answer, I guess this is somehow what you had in mind.
With hue dancer toggle we are almost there.
Always a question between value and work to program, isn't it?

But the "swatch set brightness slider" could be extremely useful to reduce amount of necessary sets.

Now, I'll stop to post ideas. I am sorry if I am distracting from other things you had in mind.