Strange bug that makes Verve unusable

[Taron]

Funny, because I just recently updated the drivers...can't be more than a few weeks ago at most. Weird.
EH...maybe it was just their desktop center software thingy that updated? ...but now I'm worried to update the drivers, hehehe.
Anyway, I'm sitting tight!

Hi, this is my first posting in this forum. I've always enjoyed using Verve but I am also having the exact same issue with the new version. Black canvas and a square color wheel. I have an old version of Verve that I had kept and used for a long time because I really liked how the blending felt in that version. I haven't used the program in a couple years though. I got an email about the new version and wanted to check it out to see how things have changed in the program. I tried the steps listed in this post but none of them work. I also tried running the program in administrator mode and no luck. I tried to run the several years old version of the program I have and it was also showing the same exact issues. So I don't think this is a thing to do with Verve but something on my system. I also am using an AMD graphics card. I wonder if maybe there is a setting somewhere causing the problem? Any help on this would be appreciated!

Specs:
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
32GB RAM
AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT
Radeon RX 580 4GB

[Taron]

I really think, too, that AMD must've done something funky there. Luckily I haven't updated my drivers lately, but they are no more than half a year old at most. Maybe it's a buffering setting?

OH, and welcome to forum!!!
....and sorry about that email...

i saw this square in the color picker in verve
it was showing when i used nouveau open-source nvidia driver on linux
it was not on closed drivers

So I did something that fixed the black canvas... If you turn the glowing option up, suddenly the canvas looks how it is supposed to look. I made a YouTube video of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gkqRSWyrBU

After doing this, the color wheel is still a square, and there is no shading or lighting to speak of. However, fluidity, brush settings, and paint color settings work. It is definitely an AMD shader issue, and not a Windows Insider issue as we thought since tokyoscarab isn't using Windows Insider.

[Taron]

EH....whatever AMD did, they really screwed the pooch there. ...this is totally broken from what your youtube video shows.
What does the sandbox look like for you?
Vervette Sandbox
Does that work?

EH....whatever AMD did, they really screwed the pooch there. ...this is totally broken from what your youtube video shows.
What does the sandbox look like for you?
Vervette Sandbox
Does that work?

Yes, it does work. I figured out the issue! I rolled back to an old AMD driver and Verve works perfectly! I went back to a pretty old driver though (21.12.1). A more recent one would definitely work, and I will figure out which driver introduced the error.

Alright, so I pinpointed the exact driver version that breaks Verve: 22.7.1 https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/relea ... win-22-7-1

Drivers before this version work (with the most recent one being 22.6.1). Looking through the release notes, it appears that the "OpenGL® Optimizations" introduced in this patch might be what breaks Verve. I can finally use Verve in peace, thank you Taron and everyone else for your help!

[Taron]

OH, that's fantastic, Aidan! I wonder, if this might be interesting to AMD at all? Because this seems like a harsh bug in their drivers. Now that you've found the newest that still works, that would be an excellent hint for AMD to look into it!
But either way: HURRAY!
You rock!

OH, that's fantastic, Aidan! I wonder, if this might be interesting to AMD at all? Because this seems like a harsh bug in their drivers. Now that you've found the newest that still works, that would be an excellent hint for AMD to look into it!
But either way: HURRAY!
You rock!

I sent in a report to AMD, so we will see how that shakes out. Also, I just ordered a drawing tablet because mouse painting sucks