I will take a look too in the next time, they are booth alternatives for AFTER EFFECTS? And how hard is to learn these programs? 

And in 3D, I have to forget to say, that I'm a Silo fan, a little bit disapointed of Nevercenter, because this very sweet subdivision modelling-tool but very sadly silo-users did haven't had an update for years. Since some months there is an update 2.3  

  - hope that silo wil have a nice future too? 

And 2D?
Ohh, I have now MISCHIEF too, I took it for 25,-USD  

  - very great for LINEWORKS and in future for more - good companion for verve, it works ver fine with LAZY NEZUMI too  
 And next days I will have a nice GTX 970 I hope ... if dear Taron made a nice Update of Verve until CHRISTMAS it would be so fine ... a very great start for 2015  
  
  
  